Logicians

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Here is probably the hardest puzzle we’ve looked at so far in maths club …

Two perfect logicians, Sam and Polly, are told that integers x and y have been chosen such that 1 < x < y and x+y < 100.  Sam is given the value x+y and Polly is given the value xy.

They then have the following conversation.

Polly:  I cannot determine the two numbers.

Sam:  I knew that.

Polly:  Now I can determine them.

Sam:  So can I.

Given that the above statements are true, what are the two numbers?

Starting points:

Before Polly and Sam say anything:

What is the range of numbers Sam could be given?

What is the range of numbers Polly could be given?

What special type of number can the product of x and y never be?

What about the square of these numbers?

After Polly’s first statement:

Give two examples of products that Polly can not be given.

After Sam’s first statement:

 Give two examples of sum’s that Sam can not be given.

Next steps …

At this point you probably want to start using a computer to generate a list of numbers that they could be given.

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